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Summit Racing OR Coolflex?
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: Rick Sample
Summit Racing introduces it's new line of radiator hoses. These are manufactured direct by Summit Racing themselves!
Direct from their catalog:
Our Summit stainless steel hose bends and cuts easily, is non-corrosive, and dissipates eat better than rubber!
Price Comparison: (NOTE: Both these kits include the 24" polished hose, polished end pieces, all clamps, and hardware.)
Summit Racing Radiator Hose:
$73.95 + FREE SHIPPING!
CoolFlex Radiator Hose:
128.64 + Shipping!
Your looking at about a $75 difference after shipping for the upper or about $150 difference for both the upper and lower hoses together! I personally think that Coolflex is WAY overpriced. I think the only reason they are that high in price is because they do not sell that many so they have to charge more to make up the loss in sales. Summit Racing on the other hand is much much larger and can provide the hoses at half the cost!
Heres a photo of the Summit Racing radiator hose kit:
Posted by: Rick Sample
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Posted by: Cody1774
Any idea how much it costs to ship to Canada?
Posted by: bdass92
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Originally Posted by Rick Sample
Summit Racing introduces it's new line of radiator hoses. These are manufactured direct by Summit Racing themselves!
Direct from their catalog: Our Summit stainless steel hose bends and cuts easily, is non-corrosive, and dissipates eat better than rubber! Price Comparison: (NOTE: Both these kits include the 24" polished hose, polished end pieces, all clamps, and hardware.) Summit Racing Radiator Hose: $73.95 + FREE SHIPPING! CoolFlex Radiator Hose: 128.64 + Shipping! Your looking at about a $75 difference after shipping for the upper or about $150 difference for both the upper and lower hoses together! I personally think that Coolflex is WAY overpriced. I think the only reason they are that high in price is because they do not sell that many so they have to charge more to make up the loss in sales. Summit Racing on the other hand is much much larger and can provide the hoses at half the cost! Heres a photo of the Summit Racing radiator hose kit: |
Posted by: Rick Sample
Nope, it says you can get the end covers in rubber, polished aluminum, red anodized, or blue anodized. I honestly don't think that Summit is underpriced. I just think that Coolflex is over priced. Remember that Coolflex only sells radiator hoses. How many can they truely sell each year, how can they pay their staff, and make a profit? The only way is to hike the prices up. Coolflex probably doesn't have anymore than 20-25 bucks invested in each hose and the rest is profit. Summit on the other hand is ten thousand times larger than Coolflex which is why I think they can offer stuff cheaper. If you really look at Summit Racing, everything they sell is cheaper than any other shop. They even offer free shipping on every product (Something that Coolflex isn't able to).
Posted by: Wolfey
I just saw this thread. you can also get them at JC whitney and martelbrothers.com i know everyone is saying don't buy from jc whitney, but how much could they screw up hoses?
Posted by: badass98svt
rick, got a direct link for those summit hoses?
im too LAZY to look myself. imo, summit's setup on their website ba-lows
Posted by: Jimbo_Jack
i would say summit...they are trustworthy...
Posted by: Aussie XAXB
One piece of info for you....
Summit does not own any production facilities.
Discuss.
Steve
Posted by: badass98svt
aussie, i was thinking the same thing.
Posted by: Rick Sample
Yeah, I'm not sure who produces these
Posted by: Jimbo_Jack
rick do you have the money for the expensive hoses...if you dont have enough the dont buy them...
Posted by: bullitt5177
I say buy the Summit hoses. As long as they fit the same and look the same, you could buy two sets before you even buy one from Coolflex.
Posted by: langod
$75 bucks for a freakin radiator hose?
Thanks, but I'll stick with the $12 rubber hose and some Armor All to make it all shiny and nice.
Posted by: Rick Sample
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Originally Posted by langod
$75 bucks for a freakin radiator hose?
Thanks, but I'll stick with the $12 rubber hose and some Armor All to make all shiny and nice. |
Posted by: Rick Sample
Here is the direct link to the radiator hoses: http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...=egnsearch.asp
I'm not sure who the manufacture is, the brand says "Summit"
Posted by: Aussie XAXB
When I was buying polished cast aluminum valve covers for my wife's Mustang I ended up getting the Summit brand covers hoping they were at least American made. They are Chinese. I also would not buy another pair of them.
While the sealing surface was very flat and square and their general appearance is acceptable I was not impressed with the quality of the aluminum. I also was not real impressed with the polishing. I am going to have them polished and see how they look after my guy does them.
In the cut throat market of retail it seems companies want to make their stuff in China to try to undercut the competition, but most, and sometimes all, of the competition is also having their stuff made in China so the quality and price of each is the same. To the American companies that do the R&D on new products only to have them copied and made in China has to be disenfanchising.
With the price of Chinese goods being so low the only way American companies can compete is to be that much better in quality. Unfortunately this will also cause the price to be that much higher than the Chinese made goods.
I've been down the road enough times buying the cheaper Chinese made product that appear just as good, however in practical use it turns out to be mediocre at best and in the long run costs more than the American made product as the Chinese made one gets replaced several times due to lack of durability.
An expression that has come about as of late is "I can't afford to buy cheap."
I understand when money is tight the Chinese made stuff looks good, but when you have to buy it again the American product begins to look like more of a deal.
Steve
Posted by: Rick Sample
Good read Steve. I may just go with Coolflex now lol
Posted by: Aussie XAXB
Here is my biggest burn in trying for a deal.
About 6 years ago I bought a new furnace and AC unit. I could save about $3,000 dollars going with company "B" and get the same warrantee on the furnace. This is what I did.
Every year after these units were installed I had to buy a new part for the furnace, the same part. Even though the furnace was under warrantee the labor was not and it cost me $75 to get a $12 part changed the first time. The next several times I did it myself. Basically we had to fix the furnace every fall and recharge the AC every spring because of shoddy workmanship on the install. We later found out this company was on their third business name.
Last year we got all new furnace and AC units. I paid good bucks and got quality equipment from a very reputable installation company. I am elated!!
This was the straw that broke my back. Though there is "shopping around" there is no deal in a "deal". Now I look for the most reasonable price among the most reputable items and sources. THIS is where the deal is at for me. No more basement bargains for me, I just can't afford them.
Maybe at first you will say "ouch" at the price, but when it is in you will be glad you went with quality.
Steve
Posted by: badass98svt
summit is a very reputable company that sells geat products. they stand buy everything they sell and have great customer service. i doubt summit's hoses are of poor quality.
Posted by: Rick Sample
Well guys I honestly think I'm going to go with Summit's radiator hoses instead of Coolflex's. How do I know the diameter of end pieces though? I read up on summits and they include with thier hose 3 sets of end pieces: 1 1/4, 1 1/2, and 1 3/4 I believe. I'm not sure... I think coolflex is just so high because they don't make or sell alot so they have to up the price a little in order to make profit.
Posted by: Rick Sample
Summit states that their Hose Adapter come in the following Sizes: 1 1/4 in., 1 1/2 in., 1 3/4 in. Does this mean that they aren't made like coolflex? Coolflex only includes 1 set instead of 3 like summit.
Posted by: Rick Sample
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Originally Posted by Aussie XAXB
One piece of info for you....
Summit does not own any production facilities. Discuss. Steve |
Hey Steve... I argued with them for sometime over the phone and via e-mail... they swear up and down that the name brand of that hose is Summit. Is their another "Summit" out their that just produces Radiator hoses or do they have no clue what they are talking about? lol
Posted by: speedytang
Summit does have a manufacturing company that makes products for them. Trick Flow is a division of Summit. If you can Foundry a Intake I am sure you can cut bulk Stainless Steel Hose. I have found the product bulk in 25' lengths in my Steel purchase ads. This seamless stainless is also used as a sleeve for high pressure hose to keep it from rubbing on heavy industrial equipment. It is usually 304 which is lite and very giving.
Posted by: Rick Sample
Thanks! I just ordered the Summit Raditator hose. It should be in sometime next week!
Posted by: Rick Sample
It's going to take a little longer than expected... the radiator hose is on back order!
Posted by: Rick Sample
Just got it in today
Posted by: Rick Sample
The name brand is actually Flexicool... hopefully it'll do its job correctly. If not... I'm out a few bucks lol.
Posted by: Aussie XAXB
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Originally Posted by Rick Sample
Hey Steve... I argued with them for sometime over the phone and via e-mail... they swear up and down that the name brand of that hose is Summit. Is their another "Summit" out their that just produces Radiator hoses or do they have no clue what they are talking about? lol
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Wow, I am very tardy on this one. Sorry about that.
If I want I can pay Company B that produces a neat product a licensing fee and get their product with my name on it to sell from my store. This happens all the time and I experienced it at a lawn and landscape company when they had a manufacturer of weed wackers, leaf blowers, power edgers and such manufacture their products in the color of the company's trademark that I worked for. When you bought a Lesco product of this type you were actually buying an Echo brand, just in a different color.
Because licensing was obtained to do this Lesco could sell it as a Lesco product, legally making that claim.
".. they swear up and down that the name brand of that hose is Summit."
Yup, they swore up and down that it is a Summit name brand. That is not a Summit manufactured product. You can also buy the supposed Summit Brand hose that says "Flexicool" on it at J. C. Whitney for probably the same price.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/P...966198/c-10101
I bought Summit Brand cast aluminum valve covers for my wife's 331 stroker engine. After I got them I found out they were made in China, and Summit does not own their own manufacturing plant there either. Metallurgy in China is different than here. I hope the kit works well for you.
Caveat emptor
Steve
Posted by: Rick Sample
Wow I never knew that... hopefully this hose will work just fine.
Posted by: Nicoleb3x3
I think I got the summit hose...yeah I think I did...
it's worked out just fine and the end pcs were metal.
I did have to cut down the cover on the end I used on the stock radiator (the nosel was so small I needed two clamps side by side to make it hold on)
...but I am a girl...so sometimes I make things harder than they should be.
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Originally Posted by Aussie XAXB
In the cut throat market of retail it seems companies want to make their stuff in China to try to undercut the competition, but most, and sometimes all, of the competition is also having their stuff made in China so the quality and price of each is the same. To the American companies that do the R&D on new products only to have them copied and made in China has to be disenfanchising.
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I work for an aluminum extruder and machine shop Solutions. In order to compete in the more competive electronics market, those types of heatsinks (alumunum products used in electronic circuit boards) were sent to our overseas vendor to make for us, a USA company. This allowed us to somewhat compete and KEEP some buisness at least short term. Eventually..the customers find their own connections in China (or bribe our vendor directly) until they cut us out of the middle to make even MORE money for themselves and put us (USA mfg) out of the picture entirely. Luckily we still do ok since other markets still allow for USA costs and manufacturing in our USA facility, but it makes it hard to grow buisness when China mfg is actually getting BETTER in quality in the past 5 years and more and more companies buy from China than ever before....
Posted by: Aussie XAXB
You obviously have experienced this first hand. It's nice to read another's experience.
I agree, the machining is getting better, but in most cases still not as good as in the USA. Where I work we have an I.D./O.D. grinder that was manufactured in Taiwan (Republic Of China) and that fact is quite obvious when you look closely at the machine.
Also the metallurgy in China is not always the same as ours. The chromium, carbon, or nickel content will not be as high as metals made in the USA with the SAME specification designation. That makes for inferior products.
You can buy "precision" machined tools used in the machine trades, such as 1-2-3 blocks, made in China for cheaper than you can buy the material here. This is not "Fair Trade", and that's why "Fair" is never used in any of the International Trade agreements terminology.
It is hard to compete with a $5 a day wage such as there is in China. It is impossible to have a level playing field that way. To put that into context, Henry Ford instituted a $5 a day wage in 1914 when he had a high absenteeism problem and his production and quality was suffering. This amount was a very exorbitant amount of pay in that day and thousands of men came from miles around in the hopes of getting a job.
That was 93 years ago!!!!!!
We've come a long way since then and there are too many countries, and people, that want to bring the US back down to their near Third World level.
Steve
Posted by: Nicoleb3x3
yup. plainly...it just sucks
give china another 10 years...
I've already heard how some chinese are getting richer...as they get richer their wages get higher...and costs get higher.
China just needs to catch up in terms of dollar value vs living conditions...just wait....hopefully china will price themselves out of our market sooner than we think. we already have chinese companies raising prices to US companies...because they realize what we WOULD be paying to make it else where. they'll be a point that they're asking too much (and I've seen this come up already a few times)
either way...you always get what you pay for- to some extent
Posted by: Rick Sample
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Originally Posted by Nicoleb3x3
either way...you always get what you pay for- to some extent |
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