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$500 bucks for an alternator! How Do I choose my options?

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Posted by: Rick Sample

I'm pricing chrome alternators and the cheapest one will be a little above $500 after shipping! Is this to high or about right?



Posted by: Rick Sample

An Update: I think I might have found a cheaper place $369.00!

It's giving me a few options that I don't understand:

1. Wire Upgrade:
  • No wire upgarde
  • premium wire upgrade (+59)
  • STD wire upgrade (+45)
2. Select Output AMPS:
  • 80 idle 160 max (+0)
  • 100 idle 200 max (+90)
Remember, I am using this for show purposes only! I would prefer the no wire upgrade and the 80 idle 160 max. Will this work or no?



Posted by: Aussie XAXB

That is outrageous and rediculous. How many amps do you need? Shop around, you should do a LOT better than that. I know you can get a 100 amp chrome alternator, if you need that much, for about $100. That is kinda cheap. $150 would be nice and feel a little more confident.

Just had a thought, is it for a 4.6? That probably would make a huge difference.

Steve



Posted by: BIGJ

Yikes!!!!!! that alot of cake for a alternator!!
It should work fine....are you running a monster stereo system.....hydraulics???
Why not use a Steeda chrome alternator cover and save about $350?



Posted by: Rick Sample

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie XAXB
That is outrageous and rediculous. How many amps do you need? Shop around, you should do a LOT better than that. I know you can get a 100 amp chrome alternator, if you need that much, for about $100. That is kinda cheap. $150 would be nice and feel a little more confident.

Just had a thought, is it for a 4.6? That probably would make a huge difference.

Steve
I figured those were alot! It's for a 3.8 V6! I don't know how many amps I need. I'd be happy with a factory chrome alternator. I really don't need it for anything other than to show it off. Do you know anyplace cheaper? Maybe one with less amps?



Posted by: Rick Sample

Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGJ
Yikes!!!!!! that alot of cake for a alternator!!
It should work fine....are you running a monster stereo system.....hydraulics???
Why not use a Steeda chrome alternator cover and save about $350?
Pa-performance.com is the cheapest I could find. Brothers Performance, Summit Racing, etc all want upwords of 500+! I don't think the steeda alternator cover would fit, I could only find it for the 1999-04 16 valve engines.



Posted by: BIGJ

paint the original one with chrome paint..........................lol



Posted by: Xerxeese

Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGJ
paint the original one with chrome paint..........................lol
Not too far off from what I was thinking. But not paint, Jet Hot coating. I know there are places that do it, I would require that you dissassemble it and send the parts off, then reassemble it when you get it back.


There is also the option of powdercoating,although not chrome, it would appear to be non-stock. Just a few suggestions



Posted by: badass98svt

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-00...QQcmdZViewItem

$272 shipped



Posted by: Aussie XAXB

100 amp for $295 ....

http://texasindustrialelectric.com/a...tors_fd3gc.asp

But here is the best buy I have found.....160 amp for $209.99 plus shipping....

http://verizonsupersite.com/4alterst...putalternators

Your other alternative is to get as many parts together as you would like to have chromed. The more you have to chrome the cheaper it is per part and you can get things done reasonably.

Steve



Posted by: ascmclarn

If the V-6 uses the same alt as the v-8 It puts out 130 amps. Just installed one in my Fox (a great upgrade). The old fox Alt puts out 75 amps (these are max #'s) and 20 amps at idle, which is barely enough to keep the car running.

If you arent running a huge stereo or any extra power hog features I would stick with the 80 amp (idle, 130 max) version.



Posted by: Rick Sample

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie XAXB

http://verizonsupersite.com/4alterst...putalternators

Your other alternative is to get as many parts together as you would like to have chromed. The more you have to chrome the cheaper it is per part and you can get things done reasonably.

Steve
Would you get something like this? I've never heard of the company and that price is very cheap compared to its competitors. I just dont' want a low quality part or find myself waiting months to get the part. I did find another one from pa-performance. It has the polish finish and is 130amp for $269.00.



Posted by: BIGJ

looks good!!! i say y not?



Posted by: Aussie XAXB

A regular replacement would cost about $165. They will chrome plate a hundred of the housings at a time and it will be cheap for them. They are still making money and you are only paying above the $165 for a chrome housing that may have only cost them $12 or less to have done in bulk. The price is good and I would grab it if I didn't have a bunch of things to take a chromer.

Steve



Posted by: Rick Sample

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie XAXB
A regular replacement would cost about $165. They will chrome plate a hundred of the housings at a time and it will be cheap for them. They are still making money and you are only paying above the $165 for a chrome housing that may have only cost them $12 or less to have done in bulk. The price is good and I would grab it if I didn't have a bunch of things to take a chromer.

Steve
Their isn't anything wrong with my current alternator, but they're saying if I take it apart to have it chromed, it would have to be re wound or something and it'll cost just as much as getting a new chromed one. Any truth to this? I do have a bunch of other stuff that needs chromed!



Posted by: Aussie XAXB

I haven't played with the 3G alternators but I don't understand why you would need to have it rewound. The windings (the actual wires wound into a coil shape) are protected by a varnish that is on them when they are wound. This keeps them from connecting and melting into one big copper blob. They are securely mounted in the stator and are not going anywhere. You remove the stator with the windings in it. It is a very solid unit.


BTW I used to work at an electric motor repair shop so I kinda know about these things. The only trick you may have to deal with is getting the commutator (part of the shaft) back into the brushes, but there is a trick to it. They got it together at the factory, you can do it the same way. Just make sure you have a paperclip.

Steve



Posted by: Rick Sample

In that case, I think I'll stick with polishing my current alternator. I don't seen any reason ro replace an already good working piece if their is nothing wrong with it!



Posted by: Aussie XAXB

The other option of course is to just buy a polished housing. I don't know how popular they are but the ones for the older alternators are about $50.

Steve



Posted by: Rick Sample

I think this weekend I'm gonna try to polish the alternator housing ourself. It's gonna take a lot of elbow grease I think I'm actually going to start out with the alternator bracket to see how it comes out!



Posted by: Matt94GT

I got my powermaster off ebay for like $180, chrome 150A.
Get one off ebay!!!1



Posted by: Rick Sample

Na I'm just not a huge ebay person. I'd rather pay a little more and get it to my door next day than have to wait around 'hoping' it will eventually come.



Posted by: Matt94GT

lol i love guys that are scared of ebay. I've saved literally thousands then getting from mustang sites.



Posted by: Rick Sample

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt94GT
lol i love guys that are scared of ebay. I've saved literally thousands then getting from mustang sites.
lol yeah, I know guys that have saved thousands, too! I just never really got into the market.



Posted by: Rick Sample

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie XAXB
I haven't played with the 3G alternators but I don't understand why you would need to have it rewound. The windings (the actual wires wound into a coil shape) are protected by a varnish that is on them when they are wound. This keeps them from connecting and melting into one big copper blob. They are securely mounted in the stator and are not going anywhere. You remove the stator with the windings in it. It is a very solid unit.


BTW I used to work at an electric motor repair shop so I kinda know about these things. The only trick you may have to deal with is getting the commutator (part of the shaft) back into the brushes, but there is a trick to it. They got it together at the factory, you can do it the same way. Just make sure you have a paperclip.

Steve
Hey Aussie, this Saturday I'm going to be taking the alternator apart to polish, when I open it will their be any 'surprises'? Are we going to have little screws, springs, and everything everywhere or is it just a simple unsrew a few bolts to take the housing off and screw them back in when complete?



Posted by: RRRAAAYYY2

The 3g is a pretty simple animal. Take the regulator off the back first, the 4 little torx head screws. Then undo the three thru bolts. Take a hammer and knock the rear housing off.
Hear is the tricky part. The stator and rectifier are soldered together. It is a lot easier if they stay together but you need to beware not to break the wire conenctions where they join. The stator sometimes will corrode itself into the front housing. Take a hammer and try to tap the front housing free off the stator assemble. There is a fine line between hitting it hard enough and hitting it too hard.
Another alternative is to turn it upside down in a vice. Then take a small punch and go through the vanes in the front housing and tap the stator ring. Extreme caution needs to be used because if you hit the wires you are going to need to replace the stator.
Once that is out I would inspect the slip ring, the two copper bands on the rotor, they are known for wearing out. If they are down about a 1/16" I would get a new rotor. I would also consider replacing the brushes and bearings while you are at it. If you put a little loctite on the out race of the rear bearing you can upgrade it to a 6-2000 (think) which is 40percent larger than the stock bearing.
When reassembling put some anti seize on the steel ring of the stator where it mounts into the front housing.

Whn it comes to chroming there are so many different levels of quality in prep and finish. Bare minimum for a quality finish i would expect the two housings ot be $100. Want a brighter better prepped finish then twice that. The cheap chrome looks great for a bit then 6 months to a year later it is pitted and flaking.



Posted by: MCRPARTS

We sell the PA Performance alts. Great alternator



Posted by: Mustang5L5

Buy a good drill and a polishing kit and learn how to polish Aluminum. Sure it is a lot of work but there are far more options when it comes to what to polish inside your engine bay vs buying a chrome replacement or cover.

I've seen engines polished up that look like the engtire engine is chrome



Posted by: RRRAAAYYY2

Scotch Brite pads on the end of a die grinder will save you about 3/4's the time.



Posted by: Rick Sample

Quote:
Originally Posted by RRRAAAYYY2
The 3g is a pretty simple animal. Take the regulator off the back first, the 4 little torx head screws. Then undo the three thru bolts. Take a hammer and knock the rear housing off.
Hear is the tricky part. The stator and rectifier are soldered together. It is a lot easier if they stay together but you need to beware not to break the wire conenctions where they join. The stator sometimes will corrode itself into the front housing. Take a hammer and try to tap the front housing free off the stator assemble. There is a fine line between hitting it hard enough and hitting it too hard.
Another alternative is to turn it upside down in a vice. Then take a small punch and go through the vanes in the front housing and tap the stator ring. Extreme caution needs to be used because if you hit the wires you are going to need to replace the stator.
Once that is out I would inspect the slip ring, the two copper bands on the rotor, they are known for wearing out. If they are down about a 1/16" I would get a new rotor. I would also consider replacing the brushes and bearings while you are at it. If you put a little loctite on the out race of the rear bearing you can upgrade it to a 6-2000 (think) which is 40percent larger than the stock bearing.
When reassembling put some anti seize on the steel ring of the stator where it mounts into the front housing.

Whn it comes to chroming there are so many different levels of quality in prep and finish. Bare minimum for a quality finish i would expect the two housings ot be $100. Want a brighter better prepped finish then twice that. The cheap chrome looks great for a bit then 6 months to a year later it is pitted and flaking.
Excellent article... I'll give it a try! Thanks so much!

I do have a question when you said: "The cheap chrome looks great for a bit then 6 months to a year later it is pitted and flaking.".

I bought a BBK Chrome plated strut tower brace... will I have to worry about this? My car isn't a daily drive... so it doesn't get a lot of wear and tear. I probably drive the car about 4-5 times a month from Jun-October, then it's stored away. After each time I drive the car... I not only wash it... but I make sure I detail and polish the engine to keep it shining. I drive the car probably between 200-300 miles per year max.

With all that said... should I be concerned about the chrome chipping off my strut tower brace if I take excellent care of it like I do everything else?



Posted by: RRRAAAYYY2

I dont know and cant give you an honest answer. All I can say is aluminum is hard to plate so it good wearing jobs tend to be expensive as extra prep is required to make it last. If it is a white metal base which is generally your cheaper chrome, then you are already done. The cheap chrome kits and such will just flake and pitt even when stored in a heated garage. If the base metal is steel it is pretty hard to mess it up.
But like I said I cant comment on the BBK product as I am unfamilar with it. Everything I do in chrome is custom done, and I am starting to prefer the ceramic coatings. Got my last electric motors done in the ceramic and they look alright, not as good looking as chrome, but actually perfect for my application. But you should not ceramic coat your alternator, it will hold the heat in and cause premature failure. Chrome does to some extent, so polishing is the best way to go.
A little hint there too, when you get tired sanding, chromers also have polishing services.



Posted by: Rick Sample

Thanks for the information and great piece of advice! Hopefully the chrome strut tower brace will last a long time. This is the first chrome piece going in my engine bay. Everything else is polished alluminum.






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